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I think another reason why people are uncomfortabl...

2008-07-30T11:23:00.000+01:00

I think another reason why people are uncomfortable with this approach is the conviction that women might not get equal treatment from a mediator applying sharia law.

There seems also to be a feeling around that religious groups are having a contest to see who can get most special privileges from British law itself -- be they bangle-wearing Sikhs, Christians registrars objecting to conducting civil partnership ceremonies, or Muslim women teachers wanting to hide their faces in classrooms.

I'm not sure I follow your argument. Of course a S...

2008-07-28T22:06:00.000+01:00

I'm not sure I follow your argument. Of course a Sharia expert is completely different to a professional mediator, and I certainly wouldn't be comfortable to have a dispute involving me mediated by a Sharia expert - but if both parties in the case are Muslims, and both agree to accept the Sharia expert's conclusions, how can you stop them?

If you're arguing that Muslims shouldn't be allowed to settle their cases out of court through a Sharia expert, then you're asking for the law to limit people's right to choose their own mediator in a civil case. I feel a fair bit uncomfortable with that suggestion.

You're missing two important points.First, you can...

2008-07-28T21:28:00.000+01:00

You're missing two important points.
First, you cannot equal Sharia to any professional Mediator. The professional Mediator is by definition super-partes, accessible to everyone and will draw conclusions from customs and laws of the country. A Sharia tribunal cannot be any of those three things.
Second, although our main legal system has profound ramifications in the Christian heritage of our society, it is thoroughly secular. We used to have a parallel legal system called the Inquisition for some time, let's not go back there. Any legal settlement, whether in court or out of court, has to be reached through a secular channel. If we challenge this assumption, then we need to overhaul the whole legal system. That's why Rowan Williams was terribly wrong in making his statement, and why he should do the only decent thing left to him. Resign, now.

Johnny, you've cut through the 'poison' and all th...

2008-07-12T22:47:00.000+01:00

Johnny, you've cut through the 'poison' and all the crap that keeps being peddled anytime this issue crops up.
Well done.

As Andy points out, the use of Sharia Law in this ...

2008-07-12T17:27:00.000+01:00

As Andy points out, the use of Sharia Law in this incredibly limited way is already theoretically available. It is not the "Introduction of Sharia Law". Sharia Law is different from keeping some of the Halachic regulations. In its fullest form it is a hue legal framework. It would prove impossible to bring in Hanbali (say) legal rulings parallel to existing UK law.

I wonder about that as well.Having said that, it's...

2008-07-12T16:04:00.000+01:00

I wonder about that as well.

Having said that, it's a bit of a silly situation if the Lord Chief Justice isn't allowed to even suggest clarifying the law to formalise the status quo without causing a riot in the press.

As you point out, people are free to go to a shari...

2008-07-12T15:45:00.000+01:00

As you point out, people are free to go to a sharia-based mediator to settle disputes at the moment. In a secular society, there is no need for sharia, or any other specific code of religious civil law, to be enshrined, formally recognised, or even given a faint nod of acceptance, by the Lord Chief Justice, Rowan Williams, or anyone else. Since doing so stokes up the silly shitstorm you describe, why do they do it?